[Communications] Fwd: Fwd: CCGA Conference - discount for vets?

[Mamie Gray]

Daniel C. does not know that his registration is being paid. IF he decides
to register, his understanding would be at the discount of a child or
student. Mamie

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 8:54 PM kuumba treahm <kuumbatreahm at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Everyone, I’ve been reading your emails and am so disturbed.
>
> The question was asked by a Veteran, (I’m paraphrasing) he would love to
> attend our Conference; is there a discount for Veterans? My answer to both
> Amy and Mamie is, No.  However, I agree that we inform him with
> kindness/gentleness that it was not considered for this Conference, but
> will definitely be a discussion for the 2021 Conference.
>
> First let me say that I understand we all want as many as possible in our
> audience, but we have to resolve issues as a meeting of the minds. We
> cannot continue to do what we want to do. That’s one of the reasons why we
> are in the position we’re in right now.
>
> That being said, let’s make note of these uprising questions/suggestions
> and have a collective discussion, not just 2 or 3 people and a decision
> made. I believe transparency and communication is the key to making CCGA an
> organization where we can agree to disagree and come up with a solution.
>
> Therefore, I still stand firm that the Veteran be informed that as of the
> date we have already put in place our Registration package, and
> unfortunately a discount for Veterans was not considered,  but we will
> definitely do so in our 2021 Conference. Thank him for the suggestion.
> (Amy/Lorraine, I know you know how to work that out).
>
> Let’s table this discussion because now brings up, do we consider
> discounts for special needs, senior citizens, disabled, etc.
>
> Also, it is not correct to say that will you pay for his registration. I
> believe it sends the wrong message. This is a CCGA Conference, not if one
> does not agree you will take the responsibility to do what you want. That’s
> why when I  expressed to Lorraine when she stated that she would pay for
> the Presenters, I told her, No.  The same holds true in this case, that’s
> why there is a MOTMs Committee.
>
> We have approximately 4 weeks and so much more to do.  Let’s focus on what
> there needs to be done for 2020, and if there is something other than
> what’s already in place, please make a note of it so that our 2021
> Conference can be just as exciting for us to work through and our audience
> enjoy.
>
> Gina Jamison
> 2020 Conference Chair
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 18:59 Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mamie,
>>
>> I suppose what's next is that you contact the man and state that we do no
>> offer military discounts, but that you would like ot cover his registration.
>>
>> Then we move on, at what 'cost' I'm not sure, but with the understanding
>> that we hear each other first. I mean words are actions in our minds.  We
>> hear each other first.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:52 PM Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This week has been like the Twilight Zone. Resources distributing tools
>>> but not at the Conference, OK registrations given, not next year, to all
>>> presenters because we see their worth, sustainability table only for those
>>> who bring something. What’s next? Mamie
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As a teacher for 30+ years I wrote many letters of recommendations to
>>>> the courts and to recruitment offices for young men and women who wanted
>>>> the opportunities that came with joining the armed forces.  One judge said
>>>> she would pick only one letter  among those submiteed  by a young offender
>>>> who wanted to join the service.  She picked mine, he got  his dream.
>>>>
>>>> I support second chances and what military service means to vets.  We
>>>> really have to hold the line on every request for discount when we have no
>>>> basis.  He's not asking for special treatment, just a yes or no to his
>>>> question. The answer is NO we do not offer military discounts. How did this
>>>> become an issue of worth of his decisions or actions?
>>>>
>>>> What Mamie does with her own $$ is none of my concern.  Changing
>>>> registration as written, doing anything on a case by case basis is again
>>>> structurally flawed and philosophically unsound.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:25 PM Mamie Gray via Communications <
>>>> communications at chicagocommunitygardens.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> FYI
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Date: Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:22 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Communications] Fwd: CCGA Conference - discount for vets?
>>>>> To: Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Would it be OK for Amy to write to him and ask him to register at
>>>>> “Table 3, Walk-Ins.” I will pay for him anonymously. Mamie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess my willingness to pay his fee, full if necessary, will not
>>>>>> fly either? Please advise. Mamie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:14 PM Lorraine Kells via Communications <
>>>>>> communications at chicagocommunitygardens.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree with Gina. Thank you for the suggestion; we'll take it up
>>>>>>> for next year, but at this point once again changing registration is not
>>>>>>> going to fly.  We have to stand with what we put out on our website, our
>>>>>>> flyers, any information we have already put out without making "back room"
>>>>>>> exceptions to our registration as it stands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The exception that we make on a case by case basis is too flawed
>>>>>>> structurally and philosophically.  What does it mean to be a veteran;
>>>>>>> someone who went to base camp and learned carpentry and then left the army?
>>>>>>> Yes that's a vet who gets veteran benefits; it's my brother.  His
>>>>>>> beneifts are great. Does he need to be comped to a conference because  he's
>>>>>>> a vet NO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These requests become issues that easily become divisive,
>>>>>>> unmanageable and unreasonable arguments rather than decisions that can be
>>>>>>> made by email.  All registration fees are as stated on the form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>>
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