[Communications] Fwd: Fwd: CCGA Conference - discount for vets?

Thu Feb 20 22:18:02 CST 2020

Also, I might be add, “unless the MOTMs agrees otherwise.”

Gina

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 22:11 kuumba treahm <kuumbatreahm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mamie,
>
> Daniel C does not qualify for either child or student. If there is an
> anonymous donor who wishes to pay for him or if he decides to register,
> then his Registration fee is $25.
>
> Gina
>
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 20:59 Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Daniel C. does not know that his registration is being paid. IF he
>> decides to register, his understanding would be at the discount of a child
>> or student. Mamie
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 8:54 PM kuumba treahm <kuumbatreahm at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone, I’ve been reading your emails and am so disturbed.
>>>
>>> The question was asked by a Veteran, (I’m paraphrasing) he would love to
>>> attend our Conference; is there a discount for Veterans? My answer to both
>>> Amy and Mamie is, No.  However, I agree that we inform him with
>>> kindness/gentleness that it was not considered for this Conference, but
>>> will definitely be a discussion for the 2021 Conference.
>>>
>>> First let me say that I understand we all want as many as possible in
>>> our audience, but we have to resolve issues as a meeting of the minds. We
>>> cannot continue to do what we want to do. That’s one of the reasons why we
>>> are in the position we’re in right now.
>>>
>>> That being said, let’s make note of these uprising questions/suggestions
>>> and have a collective discussion, not just 2 or 3 people and a decision
>>> made. I believe transparency and communication is the key to making CCGA an
>>> organization where we can agree to disagree and come up with a solution.
>>>
>>> Therefore, I still stand firm that the Veteran be informed that as of
>>> the date we have already put in place our Registration package, and
>>> unfortunately a discount for Veterans was not considered,  but we will
>>> definitely do so in our 2021 Conference. Thank him for the suggestion.
>>> (Amy/Lorraine, I know you know how to work that out).
>>>
>>> Let’s table this discussion because now brings up, do we consider
>>> discounts for special needs, senior citizens, disabled, etc.
>>>
>>> Also, it is not correct to say that will you pay for his registration. I
>>> believe it sends the wrong message. This is a CCGA Conference, not if one
>>> does not agree you will take the responsibility to do what you want. That’s
>>> why when I  expressed to Lorraine when she stated that she would pay for
>>> the Presenters, I told her, No.  The same holds true in this case, that’s
>>> why there is a MOTMs Committee.
>>>
>>> We have approximately 4 weeks and so much more to do.  Let’s focus on
>>> what there needs to be done for 2020, and if there is something other than
>>> what’s already in place, please make a note of it so that our 2021
>>> Conference can be just as exciting for us to work through and our audience
>>> enjoy.
>>>
>>> Gina Jamison
>>> 2020 Conference Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 18:59 Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mamie,
>>>>
>>>> I suppose what's next is that you contact the man and state that we do
>>>> no offer military discounts, but that you would like ot cover his
>>>> registration.
>>>>
>>>> Then we move on, at what 'cost' I'm not sure, but with the
>>>> understanding that we hear each other first. I mean words are actions in
>>>> our minds.  We hear each other first.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:52 PM Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This week has been like the Twilight Zone. Resources distributing
>>>>> tools but not at the Conference, OK registrations given, not next year, to
>>>>> all presenters because we see their worth, sustainability table only for
>>>>> those who bring something. What’s next? Mamie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:41 PM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As a teacher for 30+ years I wrote many letters of recommendations to
>>>>>> the courts and to recruitment offices for young men and women who wanted
>>>>>> the opportunities that came with joining the armed forces.  One judge said
>>>>>> she would pick only one letter  among those submiteed  by a young offender
>>>>>> who wanted to join the service.  She picked mine, he got  his dream.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support second chances and what military service means to vets.  We
>>>>>> really have to hold the line on every request for discount when we have no
>>>>>> basis.  He's not asking for special treatment, just a yes or no to his
>>>>>> question. The answer is NO we do not offer military discounts. How did this
>>>>>> become an issue of worth of his decisions or actions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What Mamie does with her own $$ is none of my concern.  Changing
>>>>>> registration as written, doing anything on a case by case basis is again
>>>>>> structurally flawed and philosophically unsound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:25 PM Mamie Gray via Communications <
>>>>>> communications at chicagocommunitygardens.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FYI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:22 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Communications] Fwd: CCGA Conference - discount for
>>>>>>> vets?
>>>>>>> To: Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would it be OK for Amy to write to him and ask him to register at
>>>>>>> “Table 3, Walk-Ins.” I will pay for him anonymously. Mamie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:17 PM Mamie Gray <mamiegray2012 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess my willingness to pay his fee, full if necessary, will not
>>>>>>>> fly either? Please advise. Mamie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 6:14 PM Lorraine Kells via Communications <
>>>>>>>> communications at chicagocommunitygardens.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I agree with Gina. Thank you for the suggestion; we'll take it up
>>>>>>>>> for next year, but at this point once again changing registration is not
>>>>>>>>> going to fly.  We have to stand with what we put out on our website, our
>>>>>>>>> flyers, any information we have already put out without making "back room"
>>>>>>>>> exceptions to our registration as it stands.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The exception that we make on a case by case basis is too flawed
>>>>>>>>> structurally and philosophically.  What does it mean to be a veteran;
>>>>>>>>> someone who went to base camp and learned carpentry and then left the army?
>>>>>>>>> Yes that's a vet who gets veteran benefits; it's my brother.  His
>>>>>>>>> beneifts are great. Does he need to be comped to a conference because  he's
>>>>>>>>> a vet NO.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These requests become issues that easily become divisive,
>>>>>>>>> unmanageable and unreasonable arguments rather than decisions that can be
>>>>>>>>> made by email.  All registration fees are as stated on the form.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>>>>
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