[Communications] [Resources] Another community garden caught in red tape over water policy

Sat Jul 25 22:20:41 CDT 2020

Hi Amy,

It looks good to me and I totally agree with your edits.

Thanks.
May

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On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 10:05 PM Amy Olson <akeo at me.com> wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> Today got away from me! Below are a few suggestions for the survey. I
> think it would encourage people who don’t have an immediate need to fill
> out the survey if we state our purpose. Feel free to edit! Please let me
> know what you think.
> I’m creating the survey form now and will forward it for a look soon.
>
> CCGA Water Survey -DRAFT 2
>
> Water is a vital resource. We understand that some community gardens are
> struggling to access water due to the City of Chicago Dept, of Water's new
> policy and procedure to obtain a fire hydrant permit. We will be working on
> facilitating better water access for community gardens in need. We need
> your help! We’re asking you to please take the following survey. The
> purpose of this survey is to gain a clearer picture about community
> gardens’ water access. All information will be held confidential.
>
> Please provide the following information:
> 1) Name
> 2) Contact Email or Phone Number
> 3) Garden Name
> 4) Garden Address
> 5) Garden Leader (If not same as above)
> 2) Garden Leader Contact Email or Phone Number
> 6) Do you currently have access to water for your community garden?
> 7) Does your community garden use water from a fire hydrant?
> 8) If you don't use a fire hydrant, what is the main source of water for
> your community garden?
> 9) Did your community garden have to get a permit for your water?
> 10) Does your community garden have to pay for its water?
> 11) Does your community garden have liability insurance?
> 12) Does your community garden need help with water access or help to
> lower the cost of water?
>
> …
>
> CCGA Water Survey -DRAFT
>
> Water is a vital resource and we understand that some community gardens
> are struggling to access water given the City of Chicago - Dept of Water's
> new policy and procedure to obtain a fire hydrant permit.  We are working
> on water access for community gardens.  Please take the following survey.
> All information is held confidential.
>
> Please answer the following questions.
> 1) Your Name
> 2) Your Email or Phone Number
> 3) Garden Name
> 4) Garden Address
> 5) Are you the garden leader?  If not, please provide the garden leader's
> name and contact information.
> 6) Do you currently have access to water for your community garden?
> 7) Does your community garden use water from a fire hydrant?
> 8) What is the main source of water for your community garden if you don't
> use a fire hydrant?
> 9) Did your community garden have to get a permit for your water?
> 10) Does your community garden have to pay for it's water?
> 11) Does your community garden have liability insurance?
> 12) Does your community garden need help with water access or help to
> lower the cost of water?
>
> On Jul 25, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Zoom is really easy but email may better keep the focus on this issue
> alone. So yes, go with email. Put a reasonable deadline for response on
> committee email to get this moving. People may be in their gardens and not
> respond in a timely manner if not pressed to do so. Just a thought.
>
> Lorraine
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 9:09 AM Amy Olson <akeo at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree about looping in the larger working groups and ideally having a
>> motion of support. Can we do it via email if a meeting can’t be arranged
>> soon?
>>
>> I’d like to suggest a few edits to the survey May drafted. I’ll send
>> those along via this thread this morning. And I will set it up using the
>> template we have from past forms and surveys.
>>
>> Thanks May!!
>>
>> Amy
>>
>>
>> .…….…
>> amy olson
>> sent via iphone
>>
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 08:59, Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Any thought of putting this before a coordinating committee motion for
>> full acknowledgment? We should at least host a zoom meeting and make sure
>> we are including chairs and working groups.  So far this has been just a
>> few of us.
>>
>> Lorraine
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020, 2:48 AM M Toy <mtoy.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Amy has a CCGA template for a survey/form so I think we should just go
>>> ahead and use that to collect the data.  Maybe Mamie can email the link
>>> once Amy has it set up.  Below is an updated draft of the survey.  Please
>>> edit as needed.  I have a work day at Skinner Park tomorrow ( or rather
>>> today ) so will have only limited access to email.
>>>
>>> I think we should use all channels to collect this information.  Please
>>> send out when ready.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> May
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> CCGA Water Survey -DRAFT
>>>
>>> Water is a vital resource and we understand that some community gardens
>>> are struggling to access water given the City of Chicago - Dept of Water's
>>> new policy and procedure to obtain a fire hydrant permit.  We are working
>>> on water access for community gardens.  Please take the following survey.
>>> All information is held confidential.
>>>
>>> Please answer the following questions.
>>> 1) Your Name
>>> 2) Your Email or Phone Number
>>> 3) Garden Name
>>> 4) Garden Address
>>> 5) Are you the garden leader?  If not, please provide the garden
>>> leader's name and contact information.
>>> 6) Do you currently have access to water for your community garden?
>>> 7) Does your community garden use water from a fire hydrant?
>>> 8) What is the main source of water for your community garden if you
>>> don't use a fire hydrant?
>>> 9) Did your community garden have to get a permit for your water?
>>> 10) Does your community garden have to pay for it's water?
>>> 11) Does your community garden have liability insurance?
>>> 12) Does your community garden need help with water access or help to
>>> lower the cost of water?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:42 PM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:40 PM M Toy <mtoy.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Breanne was at Skinner this morning and I spoke with her a little bit
>>>>> about it.  For the Park District community gardens only 2 use fire hydrants
>>>>> and she is trying to help them but apparently the City of Chicago's law
>>>>> department is insisting on liability insurance even though it sits on Park
>>>>> District land.  Mainly because the Park District agreement with community
>>>>> gardens is that the Park District assumes no liability,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm helping Breanne to get lower cost liability insurance for those
>>>>> gardens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> May
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 2:33 PM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Include this question. May, when do you plan to send the
>>>>>> survey/questionaire? Using Mamie's list, I assume to reach most people. If
>>>>>> possible we could put it on the website to reach additional advocacy even
>>>>>> if the particular garden is not affected by water issue with hydrant, we
>>>>>> all have an investment in safe water policy in the city.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We need Breanne to possibly add some information , so.forward this to
>>>>>> her?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did send an email to her an email on the 23rd and you were copied
>>>>>> May, but no reply as yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 2:23 PM M Toy <mtoy.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Lorraine and Amy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can we also add the question :  Does your community garden have
>>>>>>> liability insurance?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The City of Chicago is requiring a liability insurance policy and
>>>>>>> non-Neighborspace gardens usually will not have their own policy including
>>>>>>> many Park District gardens.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> May
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 9:09 AM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> May,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I forgot to mention that I did call Mary Fanning and had to leave a
>>>>>>>> message, so this is a way to pull information and people together who might
>>>>>>>> otherwise be out left high and dry!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 8:59 AM Lorraine Kells <lxkells at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> May,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think this is a great idea. We need to get ahead of news stories
>>>>>>>>> that don't provide any steps to action.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lorraine
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 7:25 AM M Toy <mtoy.usa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can we send out an email or survey to all the community gardens
>>>>>>>>>> asking the following questions?   I can set up this up as a survey in
>>>>>>>>>> Google Docs if everyone thinks that would be easier.   If we can get a list
>>>>>>>>>> of community gardens who don't have access to fire hydrants or who don't
>>>>>>>>>> have a permit this year but did in prior years, I can start to advocate for
>>>>>>>>>> water access for those immediately even if it's on a temporary basis for
>>>>>>>>>> this year while working towards a long term policy.
>>>>>>>>>> To pass an ordinance codifying access and rates for community
>>>>>>>>>> gardens will take several months once we can get buy-in from the aldermen
>>>>>>>>>> and the City.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are advocating for water access for community gardens.  Please
>>>>>>>>>> answer the following questions.
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Garden Name and Garden Leaders Names
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Garden Address
>>>>>>>>>> 3) Do you currently have access to water for your community
>>>>>>>>>> garden?
>>>>>>>>>> 4) Does your community garden use water from a fire hydrant?
>>>>>>>>>> 5) What is the main source of water for your community garden if
>>>>>>>>>> you don't use a fire hydrant?
>>>>>>>>>> 6) Did your community garden have to get a permit for your water?
>>>>>>>>>> 7) Does your community garden have to pay for it's water?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> May
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:18 PM Mamie Gray <
>>>>>>>>>> mamiegray2012 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Lorraine! I am checking through my files. In the meantime,
>>>>>>>>>>> I am forwarding an email from “Mary Rachel Fanning” (that you might already
>>>>>>>>>>> have) in a separate email. Mamie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:00 PM Lorraine Kells via Resources <
>>>>>>>>>>> resources at chicagocommunitygardens.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mamie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Communications would like to talk with these gardeners,
>>>>>>>>>>>> could you give us a contact please?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, there is no mention of what the most recent
>>>>>>>>>>>> changes are that denied Monarch Community garden an inspection.   We're all
>>>>>>>>>>>> playing catch-up with this and need to keep track of it no matter how
>>>>>>>>>>>> quickly it changes.  Has anyone of you been in touch with this garden?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/community-garden-without-
>>>>>>>>>>>> water-after-paying-city-of-chicago-1700
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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